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  • chuckgcs

    How Do You Protect Your Trayvon Martins? A good start would be to teach "your" Trayvon Martins how to push 9 1 1 on their cell phone, instead of their girlfriend's number. Of course the person that answers the 911 call won't be interested in hearing your Trayvon brag about what a bad ass he is, and about what he's going to do to this crac*&$r (racist term censored).

  • dflowers

    I too am concerned for the many "at risk" youth. As a former social worker (child protective services), I've witnessed the breakdown of the nuclear/extended family and the concommitant effect on the youth of today. It is imperative that we devise a holistic plan to inspire, empower and resurrect these youth!( I too could have easily been one of these misguided youth but for the grace of God who provided me with a few exceptional mentors.). I plan to join others in my community who share these same concerns in order to develop constructive programs to save our youth.

  • kmee640

    The FACT is a child has lost his life. Only two people know what happened that night and one is not here to defend himself. I'm not sure if GZ should have been convicted of capital murder but I do feel he should have been convicted of at least 2end degree or manslaughter . If GZ had stayed in his car and WATCHED until the police got there a death would have been avoided.I know the 911 operator asked where is he(TM) now. That still did not give GZ the authority to approach him.Neighborhood watch means to be the eyes and ears not the gun and badge .

    • chuckgcs

      Do you mean to say "...had stayed in his car and WATCHED THE NOW EMPTY STREET until the police got there (again)?

  • Allen Williams Jr

    Stereo type is ignorance that has plagued our society for decades. I believe this case with Trayvon will turn out positive because a mirror was placed in front of us all. Judge a person by their character!

  • MarkNaison

    If you look at Trayvon Martin's academic record, they were not that different from that of my son who ended up going to Yale and playing baseball there, and who also got into his share of locker room and bar fights. In fact, I could easily see him banging the heads of some of the people who posted here on the nearest sidewalk. Calling Trayvon a thug is racist bulls..t, He was smart, tough kid who was blindsided by a security guard and kicked his ass. Then got killed for it. I have never heard of anything like this happening to a white kid. My son who is white, kicked a lot of people's asses in his time and never got shot. Get real people. This kid only died because Zimmerman saw him as a "perp"- which he wasn't. You back ANY tough high school athlete into a corner, they will kick your ass. I love Trayvon!

  • MarkNaison

    I have been in George Zimmerman's place literally hundreds of times, which is why I wrote the original post. And I never had my head banged against the concrete. Never even ended up in a fight. Why? Because I know how to approach young people and speak language that they will respond to and respect. And command respect myself through my physical presence. If you can't do that, you shouldn't be a block watcher.And especially shouldn't be a block watcher with a gun

    • Sasha Shepherd

      That's agreed. Zimmerman certainly comes out badly here. But sorry, no amount of rudeness or lack of interpersonal ability merits having ones head smashed repeatedly into concrete.

      I'd be a lot less sympathetic to Zimmerman's case if the high res pics of the back of his head didn't show such significant trauma.

  • MarkNaison

    Woke up this morning thinking of Trayvon Martin. i would have loved to be his coach or teacher. Would have embraced the challenge of trying to direct his anger and passion and rebelliousness and courage into physical or artistic expression or self reflection through books that touched a chord and sparked his imagination. Would have loved looking him in the eye, putting my arm on his shoulder, and making the kind of connection that an older person who has experienced turmoil and anger can make with someone much younger going through the same thing. This is what I have done for the last 50 years, and is what I still do. It is the part of my work I love the most. And it makes the way he died hurt even more. The Trayvon Martins of our country are young people filled with promise. They need to be nurtured, inspired, mentored and loved, not shot down and killed, or suspended from school and locked away. There is a national sickness embodied in the response to this tragedy, and lies as much in the venom directed at Trayvon Martin as the identification with George Zimmerman.

    • Sasha Shepherd

      I wonder if you would feel the same way if Martin was bashing the back of your head into concrete.

      'How I could *THWACK* mentor this child! I see the signs of *THUD* genius in him! Once I learn to walk and speak again, *THAD* this will blossom into a wonderful relationship.

      A youth who was shot to death in the midst of a potentially fatal attack is hardly the picture of untapped potential that you seem to be looking for. It's bad that he got shot, but if you were in GZ's situation, reasonably afraid that you might soon be killed or brain damaged by head trauma, can you honestly say you would act differently?

      I find it extremely odd that this case is the one the Left chooses to champion. There are many, many cases of truly innocent black youth being killed in cold blood by people with far more authority than GZ. Why this case? It just makes the Left and Black activists look bad.

      Why didn't we see this same level of uproar over the results of the Oscar Grant case?

  • Linda Harrington

    It seems a lot of people have lost sight of the fact Trayvon was walking down the street minding his own business. Zimmerman did not have the right to stalk or question him. It is a reasonable assumption to think Zimmerman was a pervert or predator. I only wish Stacy DuGard, Gina DeJesus, Amanda Berry, Michelle Knight and countless other abused children had the strength to beat the hell out of their attackers like Trayvon. Let's keep it real, Trayvon was a victim. Zimmerman was a perp that got his ass kicked.
    btw Sasha, my heart bleeds for innocent children killed anywhere, but you can't compare the government with one lone lunatic.

    • Joshua Terry

      Actually anyone has the right to question you whether you are "minding your own business" or not. Just as you have the right not to answer them. There is nothing against the law there. The only thing ZImmerman did NOT have the right to do was detain Mr. Martin. However if someone does detain you illegally that will still not justify the use of force unless they are holding you.

      If Zimmerman tried to detain Trayvon and he reacted by keeping his calm until the police arrived, Mr. Martin would find that he had an excellent case for illegal detainment. The law and police would have been on his side.

      Not liking a thing (being questioned) does not make it illegal.

    • Sasha Shepherd

      Let's say you were a resident in the neighborhood. There have been more than one burglary a month for the last two years.

      What, exactly, would you want the Neighborhood Watch people to do? How would you have them act?

      Or maybe you just want to have more actual police, because everyone knows they have a sterling record with regards to black youth.

  • Sasha Shepherd

    You probably don't wake up with a deep pain in your head when you learn that the child victim of US drone bombing aren't in prison.

    Just a guess.

    • Jasamine Pettie

      ...and many more perpetrators of wrong in this world. I understand your sentiment and applaud you in the same manner I applaud this poster and others for speaking out against issues that are compelling to them for whatever reason. I believe instead of comparing injustices (hey look at my scar...no look at mine), we'd serve one another better to stand beside one another in fighting injustice everywhere even if it's not one that compelled us personally to protest. Which is to say, I feel you but don't beat people up for not picking your cause. Post about those children and invite others to rally around it. It's takes the passion of someone like you to get others to see and maybe even focus their energies on elevating the same concerns. In the same manner, I don't think we benefit from suppressing or being angered by the the passions of others because they are not our own. God bless you.

  • ValkyrieSmae

    You are not being objective when the only evidence you acknowledge is the little in Zimmermans favor. Lucky him, the burden was on the state.

    I am not surprised so many would rather empathize with George than Trayvon. I believe whatever you have to say about what happened that night, would need to rely on the honesty of George Zimmerman. A quick google search proves he doesn't have any problem coaching his wife to lie under oath about their financial status in order to to escape his court fees. So no, I don't believe he'd have a problem lying to escape jail.

    But the truth is this is speculation on my end as well. But I would hope the undeniable fact here is that we don't know who started this altercation, and just because the jury ruled one way, doesn't mean we as a public need to. I've signed the petition. Hopefully justice prevails in the end.

  • MarkNaison

    What most upsets me in some of the comments is the venom directed at an unarmed high school student who was shot dead while walking to the store. Trayvon Martin's future was not written in stone because of school suspensions or minor discipline problems.. I have coached and mentored scores of young people in similar circumstances and have helped many go on to lead productive lives, and in some instances, achieve financial and professional success. That is what makes the resort to deadly force here so tragic. It snuffed out a young person whose life could have gone in many directions. The lack of understanding of this displayed by some people who posted here, is quite simply astonishing, and borders on sickening. God help those so prepared to write off young people they don't know and presume to predict their futures. They Trayvon Martins of this nation need love, understanding, discipline and mentoring, not bullets. A nation which is comfortable with killing them has lost its moral compass

    • Sasha Shepherd

      According to the eyewitness who called police, at the time he was shot Martin was bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

      That's called 'attempted murder' and 'aggravated assault,' not 'walking to the store.'

      Your entire paragraph is one unmitigated pile of bullshit. Neither you nor I know exactly what happened that night, and it is simply disgraceful that the left has decided to champion this case when there are so many clear injustices crying out across the nation and world.

  • MarkNaison

    What most upsets me in some of the comments is the venom directed at an unarmed high school student who was shot dead while walking to the store. Trayvon Martin's future was not written in stone because of school suspensions or minor discipline problems.. I have coached and mentored scores of young people in similar circumstances and have helped many go on to lead productive lives, and in some instances, achieve financial and professional success. That is what makes the resort to deadly force here so tragic. It snuffed out a young person whose life could have gone in many directions. The lack of understanding of this displayed by some people who posted here, is quite simply astonishing, and borders on sickening. God help those so prepared to write off young people they don't know and presume to predict their futures. They Trayvon Martins of this nation need love, understanding, discipline and mentoring, not bullets. A nation which is comfortable with killing them has lost its moral compass

    • Sasha Shepherd

      I've been reading the comments on different sites for hours. The only 'venom' I read is directed at GZ himself. And I read lots of people making the case that Martin was acting criminally that day.

      Justifiably saying someone acted in a criminal manner is hardly 'spitting venom.'

  • frank.alvarez.104

    If "Jorge's" Hispanic side was not down played would the verdict be different... Yes! B/c it would have been criminal on criminal violence and George would have been charged with Murder. This makes me think about how Latinos, Hispanics or whatever we call ourselves can hide our background and take advantage of white privilege.

  • Jfreed

    I propose new legislation: anyone shooting an unarmed person does time. Period. Mandatory minimum sentencing. No matter what the perp "thought".

    Cops that do that are off the force.

    And their would be the possibility of further criminal proceedings in addition...

    • Joshua Terry

      Jfreed - "I propose new legislation: anyone shooting an unarmed person does time. Period. Mandatory minimum sentencing. No matter what the perp "thought".

      Really? So you shoot an unarmed rapist in the act of violating your wife... or your child? This is too much of a general and naive statement. There is a feeling of helplessness to being attacked that no one should have to feel. It's not a duel, there is no requirement for equal terms. What you are advocating is a case of might makes right.

    • Joshua Terry

      Jfreed - "I propose new legislation: anyone shooting an unarmed person does time. Period. Mandatory minimum sentencing. No matter what the perp "thought".

      Really? So you shoot an unarmed rapist in the act of violating your wife... or your child? This is too much of a general and naive statement. There is a feeling of helplessness to being attacked that no one should have to feel. It's not a duel, there is no requirement for equal terms. What you are advocating is a case of might makes right.

    • Sasha Shepherd

      With cops, sure, I agree. Any cop who shoots an unarmed person, no matter what, is off the force and maybe tried. Fantastic, we need a law like that.

      But should it apply to every citizen, too? How about a 100lb woman about to be raped by a 200lb guy?

      Also, please remember that, according to Prosecution witness, at the time of the shooting Martin was 'armed' with the concrete he was attempting to use to murder Zimmerman.

      • Jfreed

        OK, with the attempted rape, she should shoot. It would be a case of justifiable homicide. She would have to prove that, beyond, "I thought he was going to rape me", or "He looked really scary".

        Because it was Z who pursued TM, with a gun, TM was more likely defending himself. TM didn't approach Z, it was the other way around.

        The basic point is that, following the precedent of this trial outcome, anyone may shoot anyone with impunity, IF there were no witnesses and IF the perp "feels" threatened, thanks to SYG

        I do not feel safer now. And those who are born with a scary skin color should feel even less so.

    • otter123

      Right on, Jfreed. I see this case setting dangerous precedent for vigilantes and it scares me.

      Now George Zimmerman has the gall to sue NBC for defamation! Even OJ wasn't that bold!!

    • Zachary Slobig

      now that's a clear headed idea, Jfreed. i could get behind that.

  • John Bales

    Two things could, perhaps, have saved Trayvon's life.

    First, Neighborhood Watch participants should be properly trained and vetted by a professionally recognized psychological profile process.

    Second, residents of neighborhoods with active Neighborhood Watch programs should educate their visitors and guests about the presence of these volunteers and the necessity of cooperating politely if questioned.

    • otter123

      Dude, he wasn't questioned, he was jumped. GZ was told by the cops not to do anything and he still didn't listen. Now someone's child is dead.

  • cherykie

    Pray tell , how do we protect young white mothers and their babies from being murdered by hoodlums who were told by the mother that she didn't have any money? Where is the outrage for their actions? Our "Trayvon Martins" need to be home in bed at 3am, not running the streets. If he had only gone straight to his house a few doors away, instead of making an effort to confront Zimmerman, this whole scenario would be non-existent. Zimmerman had to do what he did to save himself, but your buddies who point blank murdered a baby in a stroller- what was their motive?

    • carbanel

      There are some powerful assumptions here. First, my babies were home in their beds. Then they were teens, as was I, a troubled young white girl who was out at 3:00 a.m., doing far worse than what Trayvon did. I was smoking pot, racing cars, all sorts of things. Being a white girl from a moneyed family protected me. I was never once questioned, by anyone.

      I am a productive citizen, homeowner, college educated mother of three who has been married for decades to the same wonderful man. Trayvon wasn't killing babies, he was dealing with teen angst, a blended family, and a lack of direction. None of this made him a criminal.

      A man who is told to leave matters to the police murdered him. Everyone is taught that the best defense is a good offense. How dare an adult make assumptions. My Amerasian kids look Mexican. Their friends are all mixed race, and some of their friends are the only people of color, aside from one of both of their parents, in their entire Massachusetts and Connecticut towns, excluding the 'live-ins'. Their non-white parents make absolutely sure that these kids dress well, use umbrellas versus hoods, and always show their hands. How sad is that.

      I guess you don't care if someone murders my baby.

    • micheleamatthews

      Cherykie, please be factual in your statements, the young man was shot and killed at 7:16p not at 3a...3a the following day was the timestamp on the incident report filed two hours after Zimmerman was released from police custody. And, though I am not familiar with the case you are referencing, it seems as though you are comparing apples and oranges...a young, unarmed boy described as his teachers as an A/B student carrying skittles and iced tea is far different from armed criminals who would shoot a baby while attempting to rob it's mother. Contrary to your implication that every young, black male is exactly the same, there are criminals and non-criminals in every race. Trayvon Martin was not one and to trivialize his death to justify the actions of an overzealous and misguided neighborhood watch volunteer is simply unfair. To the other case, the loss of any and all children to violence is sad and disheartening and my heart goes out to that family as it does to the Martins.

      • Jfreed

        A gentle and powerful reply to an infuriatingly callous comment. Thanks.

  • John Wynn

    La Lt-tv, I am surprised, and somewhat disheartened by the lack of civility you are displaying in your comments. I respect honest, lively debate but don't expect to be taken seriously when you resort to name-calling and character assassination. I recognize that as a nation we are very divided on this issue but until we come to the table and respectfully discuss how to prevent another tragedy of this nature, we are doomed to to failure.

  • Christopher Payne

    What makes you such a legal authority? What did you experience that those who held Mr. Zimmerman's freedom in their hands did not have. What did that court room not reveal that you know? Is it not apparent that Mr. Martin lost his life tragically while in a scuffle with Mr. Zimmerman? Did our judicial system not make a incredibly hard and unpopular acquittal? Mr. Zimmerman's life will be one of worry of when someone is going to attempt to take his life. We as a society are wronging Mr. Zimmerman with this completely absurd and ignorant talk when we know less than those who sat in the court room with him or those who were on the street when Mr. Martin and Zimmerman clashed.

    If we must share our views, let's be more objective than going off the main-stream agenda of our major news sources. Let's try to understand what our legal system saw and not make judgements off biased, out of context understandings.

    • Jfreed

      Zimmerman killed an unarmed man who broke no laws; he was told not to pursue. And now HE is the victim? Gimme a break...

      • Christopher Payne

        The are both victims in my view. Can you not understand that no one gained from this situation? Can you read my comment with a clear head and see what I have typed? I have more faith in the courts than I do from the mass public view that is limited to what the see from news sources who need the hype? My point is we are wronging the living party of this scuffle and I think unproductive banter due to Mr. Zimmerman's situation, that he wrongly chose to engage in, is wrong and quite ignorant.

  • La Lt-tv

    oh and here is another thought. how about you mr. professor go teach all the trayvons the value of education. or better yet teach his parents to look after their underage sons and daughters who roam the streets and misbehave freely- to take responsibility and be good caring parents (like all normal parents are), so they don't have to cry over spilled milk and go blaming the whole world after some tragedy happens to their kids that they love so much ONLY after they are gone. but care less what happens to them on day to day basis. he was suspended 3rd time this year. caught with bunch of female jewelry, a screw driver in his backpack - put it anyway you want but your own admissions office would "profile" a student applicant like this to a certain stereotype and "up to no good". and who is to blame here? if anyone at best maybe: 1. parents. 2. community. 3. himself. but no zimmerman. sooner or later kid would have ended up in a way of "bad". too bad it just happened to be a bullet.

    • Jfreed

      When you were 17 were you safely at home every evening before 7pm, or did you occasionally go to a store and buy candy and a drink?

    • Jasamine Pettie

      Crying over spilled milk? Children they love only after they are gone? Why did you waste your time typing this? Insert spilled BLOOD and parents that are grieving a child they'll never get to see grow up. And as to "ending up in a way of bad" (seriously, your english), I assume this is coming from a person who has lived their entire life never having done a thing wrong, anything that would have indicated you could "end up in a way of bad". Is your life useless because of the imperfections of your youth? Why do we let ANY unruly teenagers grow UP, learn from mistakes, become adults, becoming functioning members of society? Bullets for all of them. Sooner or later they'll all end up in a way of bad. How dare you

    • TDK1

      It would be nice if some of the ignorant people on this thread would learn the facts of the case and the law before commenting. Regardless, I cannot fathom how killing a child in cold blood for walking down the street is acceptable under any circumstances.

      • Sasha Shepherd

        At the time of the killing, Trayon was smashing George's head into the concrete - trying to kill him.

        It would be nice if some of the ignorant people on this thread would learn the facts of the case and the law before commenting.

        • Jfreed

          Can you look at the pictures of Z's head and conclude he was being smashed by a big chunk of concrete? I have had worse injuries shaving. And, who started the fracas anyway?

    • TDK1

      your comments are beyond ignorant. What gives you the right to judge this child and his parents? So a child who's been suspended deserves to be shot through the chest. You're a sad person.

    • alice coleman

      your comments are stupid. He didn't deserve to die. He had done nothing to warrant being approached let alone attacked. Go somewhere sit down and shut up.

      • Sasha Shepherd

        Zimmerman didn't attack Trayvon. He approached him, asked what he was doing, and then ran after him. At this point, Martin attacked Zimmerman.

        The first punch, and many punches it was (Martin had a broken hand), was thrown by Martin. The first time Zimmerman used violence was in the shooting.

  • MarkNaison

    So quick to write off Trayvon Martin and predict his future? Must not be many teachers and coaches on this thread. I have spent nearly 50 years of my life as a teacher and coach and I have seen those who "fit the profile" of a teenage thug to most people looking at them who would eventually become doctors, lawyers, teachers, executives, and yes professors. You cannot judge a person's future by their appearance or the things that happen to them by their teens. That is one good reason not to kill them

  • La Lt-tv

    Right On! 0.00001% that Martin would have become a professor. 99.99999% he was gonna end up in correctional institution or dead or on welfare.

    • Jfreed

      On welfare? Like Goldman Sachs?

    • Josh Brackett

      You must be one serious idiot to make a comment like that. A) It is totally irrelevant the point was who knows (certainly not the likes of you) what he could have done with his life B) I'd rather end up on welfare than end up like a thug murderer like George Zimmerman who most of the nation regardless of color or race believe SHOULD be in a correctional institution.

  • julieengel

    While much of what is said below may be accurate assessment, (in terms of people's biases, respect, etc, who had the right to do what) I would bet that if Florida didn't have it's "Stand your ground" law, Trayvon would not be dead. No gun, no death of a 17 year-old. At worst a fist fight.

    • Sasha Shepherd

      At the time he was shot, Martin was busy smashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete.

      Which is to say that, at worst, Zimmerman would have been dead instead.

  • Tiny Jiva

    Well said. The justice system is broken.

  • Greg Walker

    No gun, no death. Choose love and laughter, not fear and violence.Rise above fear and get rid of your guns, Please!

    • Justin Hahn

      no gun no death? pretty sure people die all the time from the MMA-style beating Trayvon was giving George.

      • Jfreed

        Right people are killed with rocks. Why don't people just stockpile rocks then?

          • Jfreed

            No. That rocks are also formidable weapons and could just as easily been the method of perpetrators of gun violence is an argument I have heard by gun enthusiasts.

            But assault weapons, flame throwers, grenade launchers, yes, they should all be illegal. They are unnecessary and far too dangerous in the hands of some citizens. Far more dangerous than rocks.

  • Semhal Tekeste

    "...but we can't afford to do nothing."

    Very well stated, Mark. Thank you for sharing this. It's so very important for our communities to organize and mobilize a movement to even attempt to protect all the Trayvon Martins out there.

  • Justin Hahn

    I think it's good you're being more nuanced than the old "white man killing a black kid" narrative, because that one is broken. Racism, I think, had little to do with it other than Trayvon's biases, since George didn't stop Trayvon because he was black. In fact, only when pushed did George identify Trayvon as black. Before that it was Trayvon's behavior George had noted. George stopped Tryavon and asked him what he was doing because 1) there had been a number of break-ins in his neighborhood and 2) Trayvon was out of the ordinary. Few people walk (especially without dogs or tracksuits) in the sprawling developments of Sanford the way Trayvon was.
    Is that a crime? No, but it's strange for that community and George was right to have noticed and investigated it.

    I think it's good how you critique George's behavior, but you've also got to think about the thuggish mentality of Trayvon. He was the one on-top of George breaking his nose and pummeling him MMA style. Not only that, Sanford (and central Florida in general) is not a community conducive to community interactions. People don't talk unless they're safely ensconced in little boxes.
    That's where the problem lies.

    • otter123

      Clearly facts don't get in the ways of your assumptions, Mr. Hahn. There were no DNA from Zimmerman on Trayvon's sleeves - thus extinguishing Zimmerman's lies but 'being pummeled'. That didn't happen.

      What we do know is this: A black kid went to buy a soft drink and some candy. He was walking home NOT BOTHERING ANYONE when he was unfortunately spotted by George Zimmerman. There were no bushes in the area claimed by George Zimmerman - it was all a made up story and white America bought it hook line and sinker.

      The question is: Why? BECAUSE FEAR OF BLACKS JUSTIFY OUTRAGEOUS REACTIONS. White society is afraid of black people and want them to act like white people - or else! It's Trayvon's fault for wearing a hoodie (like millions of people do in our country except it's not good to do so while black, obviously). Truth be told, George Zimmerman is a portrait of white America; afraid of the Other, insecure and desirous of separation and segregation.

      Need more evidence? Look at our penal system which over punishes blacks for identical 'crimes' - even non-violent behaviors. Look at the confluence of gated/caged communities. When all else fails, build a wall.

      AS far as fighting for one's life - it appears that Travyon was doing just that. In fact, let's put it another way. Say Trayvon was a GIRL, a black girl going to the convenience store to buy some Skittles and a soda. She notices a man following her and says something to her boyfriend who she is speaking with on the phone. Now all of a sudden, she's the one in danger. Why is it okay for anyone to be stalked or followed? What is 'suspicious' behavior?

      White societal fear of blacks/others. That really what was on trial here. White fear wins every time.

      • Jfreed

        When the south had slaves, the argument was, "don't free them; they'll kill us, rape us, burn our homes". Wrong, as usual. And the neo-Confederates are as wrong today as they were yesterday. Yet, they still try to wreck the Union.

      • Christopher Payne

        He's not white or a racist. For goodness sake, his actions in other situations do not warrant that threat. Guilty or not, it wasn't race. Race is just the popular go to when manslaughter happens between two individuals of different races.

        • Jfreed

          He was aggressive and incompetent. He couldn't defend himself from a kid without a gun.

          • Sasha Shepherd

            I couldn't defend myself from the average fit 17 year old man.

        • otter123

          And you think the exact same thing would have happened if Trayvon - all other things being exactly the same - were white? Is being white and walking also suspicious or is it only suspicious when black people do it?

      • Justin Hahn

        No DNA evidence on Trayvon's clothes means he absolutely couldn't have injured George? I guess it's more likely George slammed his own head against the sidewalk and broke his own nose.
        What is this "White America" of which you speak? DOes it include George Zimmerman? He's Latino; maybe he's half-in White America and half in the other America. Colored America?

        "Truth be told, George Zimmerman is a portrait of white America; afraid of the Other, insecure and desirous of separation and segregation." You're right when you say George is a portrait of an America desirous of separation and segregation. It's not, however, "white" America. America in general is like that. Why else does everyone drive and why else would Trayvon spew hate-speech to his girlfriend?

        What is suspicious behavior? In Sanford at night, it's walking.

        • otter123

          Walking is suspicious behavior? Does that include George Zimmerman being suspicious to Trayvon as well?

          And, yes, white America does include those with traces of otherness - those traces that get otherwise played down and used only when necessary. There is a fair amount of racism in Latino communities (though I wouldn't say that Zimmerman strongly identifies as such). In fact, there's a lot of racism in lots of Latino communities and that's amplified in communities that support that type of extreme racism. I see it everyday.

          Believe it or not, black Americans can walk down the street in other countries and not get hassled by the cops at every turn. Why? Because normal human behavior is not threatening. Here, in America, if you are black, it is.

          And yes, Trayvon would have had at least some DNA of Zimmerman's on him if he had touched him. It's impossible not to. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Zimmerman's wounds were self inflicted.

          The fact that it took 45 days for Zimmerman to be arrested shows that the law enforcement community there doesn't care about black people. Justice is race based, and young, black and walking Trayvon was on the wrong side of that dividing line.

          • Justin Hahn

            Walking is suspicious in Sanford, yes. Check out a Google Maps street view of the area where George killed Trayvon. How many people you see on foot?
            "Normal human behavior" is relative, and in Sanford (outside of the old city center) it does not include walking to get around. Sorry. Fact is Trayvon was behaving suspiciously (by walking), and so George asked him what was up. Trayvon was a racist thug with a chip on his shoulder and attacked George. He was steeped in the violence and drug abuse of ghetto youth, and it got him into trouble.
            For George to break his own nose and lacerate his own scalp like that he'd have to be seriously deranged. That didn't come up in the trial, so I'm going to assume Trayvon did it. As for the DNA evidence, the ME himself admitted the department's procedures were sub-par. He said they took poor samples and treated them improperly. The available DNA evidence, then, is useless. It neither proves nor disproves Trayvon's berserker cracker-hating MMA-style rage.
            Finally, was George racist? Everyone's racist, but did George go out of his way to hurt black people? Well, I don't know. But I do know George went out of his way less than a year before the killing to defend the civil rights of a black man in Sanford.

    • otter123

      Clearly facts don't get in the ways of your assumptions, Mr. Hahn. There were no DNA from Zimmerman on Trayvon's sleeves - thus extinguishing Zimmerman's lies but 'being pummeled'. That didn't happen.

      What we do know is this: A black kid went to buy a soft drink and some candy. He was walking home NOT BOTHERING ANYONE when he was unfortunately spotted by George Zimmerman. There were no bushes in the area claimed by George Zimmerman - it was all a made up story and white America bought it hook line and sinker.

      The question is: Why? BECAUSE FEAR OF BLACKS JUSTIFY OUTRAGEOUS REACTIONS. White society is afraid of black people and want them to act like white people - or else! It's Trayvon's fault for wearing a hoodie (like millions of people do in our country except it's not good to do so while black, obviously). Truth be told, George Zimmerman is a portrait of white America; afraid of the Other, insecure and desirous of separation and segregation.

      Need more evidence? Look at our penal system which over punishes blacks for identical 'crimes' - even non-violent behaviors. Look at the confluence of gated/caged communities. When all else fails, build a wall.

      AS far as fighting for one's life - it appears that Travyon was doing just that. In fact, let's put it another way. Say Trayvon was a GIRL, a black girl going to the convenience store to buy some Skittles and a soda. She notices a man following her and says something to her boyfriend who she is speaking with on the phone. Now all of a sudden, she's the one in danger. Why is it okay for anyone to be stalked or followed? What is 'suspicious' behavior?

      White societal fear of blacks/others. That really what was on trial here. White fear wins every time.

  • dpdmail

    The way we help Trayvons is to help them learn how to live in polite society. If one wanders out at night looking for trouble, trouble will be found.

    Follow the case, learn the details, and then speak.

    In this case, justice was served.

      • Sasha Shepherd

        As the Neighborhood Watch Captain, that was his duty. As the small neighborhood had suffered from about one burglary every two weeks in the years leading up to the incident, his duty was to look for those causing this trouble, yes.

    • Sarah Matsumoto

      I don't think Trayvon "wandered out at night looking for trouble." I think he wandered out looking for some skittles and a drink from a local convenience store.

      "Follow the case, learn the details, and then speak."

      • Sasha Shepherd

        But then, you weren't there, so you don't really know what happened, and your guess is as good as mine.

        • Sarah Matsumoto

          You're right--I wasn't there. I assume you also were not there. Neither of us really knows what happened. That's why I phrased my comment as an opinion (use of the words "I don't think X/I think X"). I'm glad you've taken it upon yourself to police this thread and make sure that any possibility that someone could have confused my opinion for a factual recount of the Trayvon's motivations has been thwarted. Although your persistent "corrections" and comments would suggest that you, somehow, are a factual expert on these matters.

  • MarkNaison

    Hey Jed. Maybe gun owners are the insecure ones. Not the ones who use guns for hunting, but use handguns for "protection." Wonder how well you would do walking the hard streets of the Bronx without your security blanket..

    • Sasha Shepherd

      If you don't think that handguns are legitimate protection, I assume you support the complete disarmament of the police?

    • JedCooper

      Insecure in what sense? I have no interest in walking the "hard streets of the Bronx" and if my life was at stake and I would certainly not do well with my bare hands. That is the whole point of using a gun for self defense though, it is a force equalizer. It gives the 130 pound woman walking alone at night the ability to potentially defend her life from the 250 pound man who may wish to do her harm. In any case, with middle estimates showing around 1 million defensive gun uses per year, I'm sure those people would rather be "insecure" than dead.

  • JedCooper

    What absolute drivel. Did the writers of these articles even follow the case, and digest the evidence given? Mr. Naison, your fictitious narrative ignores the accounts given of the night and goes on to project your own insecurities and a hypocritical portrayal of gun owners. Zimmerman was a scared, insecure man because he chose to legally carry a gun for self defense but Trayvon was only a "wannabe" thug despite being the one to actually do something illegal that night.

    • Sasha Shepherd

      He wasn't carrying just for self-defense, he was community watch captain in a neighborhood plagued by crime, not dissimilar from a community police officer, and was carrying it to protect others, as well.

    • buddhadog

      Trayvon did nothing wrong and because of Zimmerman's insecurity, thought he needed to defend himself against this nutjob following him. Why couldn't George Zimmerman have identified himself as neighborhood watch so that Trayvon could have had the chance to tell him he was walking home from the store? Why didn't he let Trayvon or the 911 operator know he was armed? No chance unarmed Trayvon would want to fight an armed stalker- he would yell for help and if no one came, he'd fight for his life. Why did he chose to shoot him in the heart rather than the air, a leg or arm? Trayvon had every right to walk to and from the store from his dad's fiance's place where he was staying and did nothing wrong. How can NO value be placed on an innocent good kid's precious life of barely 17 years? Every single American should be ashamed at this unjust verdict.

      • Sasha Shepherd

        And how do you know that the events of that night are how you portrayed them?

        Do you think the eyewitness who swore under oath she saw Martin bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete, attempting to murder him, was lying?

        How about the injuries the two had - Zimmerman's lacerated skull, Martin's fractured knuckles - did the autopsy doctor lie, too?

      • JedCooper

        @buddhadog

        When you use a gun to defend your life you are using it to stop the threat. The best way to do this is my aiming at the center of mass. If you are intentionally firing a warning shot, or shooting someone in their limbs, you are not in a dire enough situation to warrant firing your weapon at all.

    • Deannasue

      George Zimmerman was clearly instructed by the police to stop following Trayvon, a directive he chose to ignore because he was/is a wannabe cop. And due to the court's decisions regarding jury instructions, burden of proof standards and certain particulars of FL law, ie Stand Your Ground, GZ got away with shooting an unarmed kid in the chest. A kid who was walking home from the 7-11, in a gated community, talking to a girl on his cellphone when he noticed a "creepy" guy following him. The point of the article is that carrying a gun doesn't make anyone a strong, confident man. Nor does a miscarriage of justice make him innocent. It's a very sad case on many levels, and gives all of us an opportunity to change how we think about and behave toward fellow humans.

      • Sasha Shepherd

        revealing thetrue attitude of those on the left: if he were a cop, and affiliated with the State, this would have all been OK.

        (And of course it would have been, because since this happened there are dozens of similar stories where the murderer was wearing blue, but none of them received any attention at all)

        BTW, the police didn't instruct him, they told him 'we don't need you to go after him.' That's all that was ever said on the matter. Pretty short of an 'instruction.'

    • micheleamatthews

      I'm sorry, Jed. Please give me some more insight into your point of view. Are you saying that simply by walking through his father's neighborhood on his way home that Trayvon Martin did something wrong? B/c I watched the case and listened to all accounts of what happened and Mr. Zimmerman never denied getting out of his vehicle and following this young man. Why is it every time that someone purports that this boy who was killed caused his own death that you all seem to think that he was in someway beholden to Mr. Zimmerman (a man who he did not know and whom had no legal authority over him) or owed him an explanation for being there. The fact is he did not and even if you believe the facts as stated by Mr. Zimmerman he created the fear, the threat and the resulting situation that "put his life in danger." Why is that okay? I don't know if you have children, but should a random stranger approach your child and begin following him through your neighborhood first in his vehicle and then on foot, and then ensue a chase, would you not expect your child to be scared and in a mindset wherein he feels as though he has to fight for his life? Mr. Zimmerman killed a scared, unarmed child after hunting him down and the child is the one you assume to be at fault. Have you ever stopped to think that this kid was defending himself against someone he could only assume had malicious intent toward him. Or did you think that b/c they dress or speak a certain way that black male children don't get scared?

      • JedCooper

        @micheleamatthews

        I do not believe either Zimmerman or Martin was doing anything illegal until actual physical contact was initiated and in the moment Zimmerman used lethal force he had the right to do so. Following someone (your use of "hunting him down" his highly sensationalist") does not represent a mortal threat. I believe both of them made mistakes that night and that both individuals and society as a would have been better that night if Zimmerman did not follow Martin and/or Martin had stayed at his fathers residence.

  • John Wynn

    Mark, beautifully stated...fostering respect, tolerance and security is essential to the quality of life in communities large and small. I agree with your suggestion for 24/7 community centers as a way to keep young people off the streets...nurturing their talents and their spirits. Changing gun laws may still be a pipe dream but it doesn't mean that we should end the discussion. Thanks for keeping the story alive...it doesn't deserve the ending in received in the courtroom.