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  • Nathan Davis

    To summarize, "Voter suppression is a myth. Trust me, i'm from the Tea Party." No thanks. Come back with some evidence of voter fraud and i'll be happy to look at it .

  • Lockien

    This article does a great job of not actually addressing voter suppression, and the argument within it (that, according to the author, the populace leans conservative and therefore conservatives ought to want *all* of the populace to vote) isn't compelling given conservative led initiatives to either purge voter records or limit access to the poll in the name of "voter fraud", a phenomenon that simply does not exist in this country in any significant number. These efforts disproportionately affect a subsection of voters who statistically are more likely to vote for liberal candidates and progressive issues. Voter suppression is about suppressing the vote of your opponent, not those who support you The argument that conservatives would not engage in voter suppression of demographic groups likely to vote for a liberal candidate because "far more people in this country openly label themselves "conservative" rather than "liberal."" doesn't make sense.

    And the lack of people willing to call their efforts in this area "vote suppression" is hardly evidence that that is not the outcome of their efforts. Who on earth would willingly incriminate themselves? If you look past their comments, and look at the effects, the pattern is clear: Efforts to "clean up the rosters" and "mandate vote ID laws" have not been shown to dramatically have an impact on the legitimacy of our elections as the proponents claim they should. There are simply too few in person fraudulent votes and illegally registered voters. However, in the process of eliminating tens of illegal votes over a decade, they deprive thousands of people their rightful voice in each and every election they are in effect. Those affected by these laws come from demographic groups that are statistically more likely to vote "left". That is voter suppression.

    • Mark Meckler

      "However, in the process of eliminating tens of illegal votes over a decade, they deprive thousands of people their rightful voice in each and every election they are in effect." REALLY? I can't seem to find the thousands who have been deprived. In fact, no one seems to be able to. In the cases that have upheld voter ID requirements, there has been no testimony by people who claimed they have been deprived. When you have the studies that show this demonstratively, please let me know. I'd be happy to review them and revise my opinion. I'm always open to adjusting based on the discovery of new facts.

      • Lockien

        Can you show any evidence of the need for vote ID laws? What is the purpose of the law, when there is no real voter fraud to combat? The majority of voter fraud that has been confirmed has been from mail in ballots, but there has been tens of cases of in person voter fraud in the past decade.

        That's not a real reason for voter ID laws. The system is working perfectly fine without the laws, which means that we should ask where this sudden and pressing crisis came from that now demands that we check everyone's ID. When someone makes a change at random, for no apparently reason, there is going to be something behind the curtain. In this case, it's voter suppression.

        And as for a study, here's one: http://research.blackyouthproject.com/files/2012/09/Youth-of-Color-and-Photo-ID-Laws.pdf

        Up to 700,000 minority youth disenfranchised. Voter ID laws "diluting the influence of young voters of color at the ballot box, possibly shifting election outcomes in competitive races." That's the real end of these laws.

  • elcocinero

    This argument is built about what conservatives "should" believe given their values, not on what's actually happening on the ground. How do you defend Voter ID laws that will effectively reduce voter turnout in demographics that strongly lean Democrat? I don't doubt that the majority of conservatives want everyone to vote, but I do believe that there's strong evidence that conservative officials are using their influence to tweak voting demographics more in their favor.

    • Mark Meckler

      There is actually NO evidence that voter ID laws "will effectively reduce voter turnout" at all. In fact, the latest study show that in the states with the strongest voter ID laws in 2008, voter turnout among "demographics that strongly lean Democrat" were at historic highs.

      You draw a conclusion which cannot be drawn from the evidence. Overall, the studies that have been done are inconclusive.

      In fact, I am for universal registration, along with voter photo ID requirements (issued free by the government).

      • Lockien

        It's ironic to say that something needs to be supported by evidence, when the sole reason presented for the necessity of voter ID laws, voter fraud, has been confirmed in 10 cases out of 400,000,000 or so votes cast since 2000. There have only been 2,000 about alleged cases of voter fraud out of 400,000,000 or so votes cast since 2000. That's 0.0005% of the vote.

        So, where is the evidence of voter fraud that justifies these laws?