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Fu_Basho

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  • Fu_Basho replied to a comment by Hassan Walker

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    Hassan Walkerover 1 year ago

    I see what you're saying, but let me ask you something: What makes you think that the word nigga isn't just an aside way to put each other down. When I think of slaves calling each other nigga, this would be because that is all they know. I don't care what it's denotative meaning is, nigga is a racially charged word. Calling us each other this is basically hands-free racism; why should they say it, if we'll do it for them?

    Fu_Bashoover 1 year ago

    Oh surely, it was, to begin with a way for slaves to put each other down. But we forget that back then, they were slaves, we're just the progeny of people who were slaves, then second-rate citizens, and then simply an impoverished (in more ways than one) minority. We're down the timeline and only know, by historians what it means (and apparently many people don't know that it was used as a way to refer to—nay, describe the Africans, before it was used in a derogatory way). Now the meaning is different, again. The connotation is different. There are plenty of words like this. I already mentioned “fag” but think about it deeply. Where did it come from? A Faggot, which originally meant a bundle of wood for burning. Apparently in antiquity they wrapped up homosexuals with kindling and burned them, probably a lot like witches were burned at the stake. Sometimes it's used derogatorily and sometimes as a term of endearment or a friendly chaff or even a jab.

    Words have as much power as human intention gives it. Thats why it's always context which must be considered, and even then... some people will say things they don't mean, sometimes.

    Here are some other words, kinda like that, ranging from insensitive to downright offensive in some connotations

    Canuck – an insensitive way to refer to a Canadian, but is also one of their Hockey teams (Vancouver)
    Cabron – a term that has lots of (vulgar, insensitive, disgusting) meanings, but is also used casually by men of Latin descent to refer to each other--
    Fag, -got – need I say more?
    Dyke – even the Wiki for it says “it has to some extent, been reappropriated”
    JAP – No, not that one, Jewish American Princess
    Jew – yes, Jew. Ironically.
    Native American – it offends some, and yet others may refer to themselves as this, as well as:
    Indian – what a foible, Christopher Columbus made...jeez.
    Packie – a Packistani
    Gypsy – some say it was started due to the predessecors of modern day nomadic Romani being directly from Egypt (They were referred to as “Egyptsies”, apparently), but now its actually considered a slur to many. However, some would use it casually.

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  • Fu_Basho replied to a comment by US2

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    US2over 1 year ago

    When the word nigger is used in it's original vile, vicious intent, I understand its context. But the contemporary use of it, as a recontextualization of the word that the hiphop generation has made infamous," is the height of obscenity and cultural illiteracy.

    A word used to condone castration, rape, lynching and the mass murder of people of African descent. To now used it as a term of endearment, is sick, insane and a severe case of an on going enslaved mentality. (like Sam's character)

    Anybody is free to use the word. I just don't trust anybody who does. It's like someone having a rhodes scholarship.

    Fu_Bashoover 1 year ago

    "the height of obscenity and cultural illiteracy?"

    are we still not agreeing that "Nigger" and "Nigga" are not synonyms, just like Negro isn't the same as "Nigger"?

    it's funny that you mention on-going enslaved mentality (a social doctor referred to it as Post Traumatic Slave Disorder). Ironically, I agree with some of this theory...but I really think you guys are approaching this in a way that is more demeaning than you claim the word is, for our people.

    I'm not attached to the word as I am simply used to hearing it, and saying it on occasion (though rarely now). That being said, I understand why some people say it--habitually. I don't know why I'm approaching it this way again, but it's like kids who grew up in the suburbs who say "dude" a lot.

    So basically, you're saying, like many, we've inherited these "bad vibes" from slave days, and it's really not just a socialization. Just like our ghettos. And by socialization, I mean--no, they're not thinking "I'm a slave--my n*gga J over here is a slave and so is his moms", they're actually just saying a word repeated near or to them over and over again.

    As far as the indications of being a set-upon race, that was left there by the forces that eliminated segregation and did not do enough (dare I say, nothing at all) to fully integrate people of colour into the mainstream of society.

    Ironically, if they did what they should've done (which probably would've taken a long time, but would've totally eliminated any chance of any guilt they could've had about slavery--because they would've eliminated most--if not all of it's traces)--people wouldn't have been used to hearing/using the word "nigga" to refer to one another--nor would people be using the word "nigger"...at least I'd hope.

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  • Fu_Basho replied to a comment by Hassan Walker

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    Hassan Walkerover 1 year ago

    And the word nigger or nigga is always racist, no matter who is saying it.

    Fu_Bashoover 1 year ago

    I'm not really debating over respect here. But in response to that statement, people should respect people, period, despite nuances. Racism (and furthermore, bigottry) itself is an assumption that due to differences in people and their ways of being, which essentially have nothing to do with anything but how they interact with each other and the world.

    As you mentioned, drugs were put into our communities, apparently (theorists say), by the Reagan administration. If we're going to act as if this is totally true (it totally might be, but I have no actual idea, just the idea of what kind of crap people involved in our government have gotten into in the past and present)--I think it would surely be as you said, about respecting ourselves. That is, saying no to selling crack-cocaine to our kin and neighbors.

    But this brings me to a point I was trying to make, and mostly to the writer of this article:

    The big bad “diablos blanco” didn't somehow trick those actors (who are comedians) to do what they did—play the roles they did. This is something they commonly did, before Quentin wrote this film (which I have not seen yet). This isn't a case of a White Man exploiting some naïve black actors into “humiliating” their people. As I said, this wasn't stuff they had to summon, it was in their toolboxes, and the truth is, people (our people) are pretty often like that.

    The dialogue in this article, to me, felt more like attacks on Quentin, and how he was basically a film nerd who fetishized “black culture” than a dissection of the usage of the “N-word” by black folk. That really rubbed me wrong, to be frank.

    If we were to dissect the usage of the word “nigga” (versus “nigger”--the slur) that'd be a whole different story. We'd start at “nigger”--an already missappropriated and modified word—and end up at the culturally appropriated version “nigga”--which, by the way is not “racist”, man.

    You can look up the definition yourself. I mentioned a bit of it before in the first part of this post. Now if you want to say “reverse racism”, thats one thing. It's also grasping for straws. As far as the term “blacksploitation” as a genre... there are a bunch of ironically and nonsensically named sub-genres of film. Mumblecore, Spaghetti-Western, Sushi-Western... that last two... look them up. Actually Quentin did a great distopian Sushi-Western.

    Thinking about this, I remember he makes a cameo in that film where he admits to being an “Otaku”--which is actually a term for a fan of Japanese media and culture (most notably anime, games, and comics)...seems to me, he is a lover of cultures not his own. And he tries to depict them in his movies.
    I really don't see a problem with this.

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  • Fu_Basho replied to a comment by Hassan Walker

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    Hassan Walkerover 1 year ago

    The word, in any context is very vile. Using the prospect of a slave narrative in order to have permission to use the word 'nigga' or 'nigger' is wrong. We aren't learning anything from it. The really sad part is that if you are going to display a culture, don't exploit it. What if all Asian films had Asian guys with small penises, waving around katanas, and calling each other'Chink' or 'Jap'? I like Japanese culture as well, but my Black brothers always come first in my book.

    Fu_Bashoover 1 year ago

    sorry for the late reply, discuss has been acting lame.

    I think the word can be pretty vile. I think the word is running it's course, and we can let it. Lots of groups of people have taken pejorative labels and used them. I can mention a bunch of cultures and subcultures where this has happened. One that comes to mind first that isn't as offensive as many “adopted” labels is “Punk”... Most people don't even know where that actually came from. There are tons of -words- like these. We forget this: they're words, and words have meanings (sometimes just a squint of intention shifts it). If I was a bigot, I'd call someone who was gay that particular “f-word”. I wouldn't though. Then again, I have known people from the LGBT community who use it facetiously.

    Obviously it's meant to be jocular. We're not calling each other the Negro that a racist or slave trafficker, owner, or overseer would call us.

    As far as what you said regarding the Asian cliche`s...ironically I was talking about that with a friend. Stereotypes are called so for a reason. Sometimes we use them, and we harness them in fiction, referring to them as “tropes”--but they are what they are:

    A representation of something that occurs frequently. Comedy does this A LOT. QT is a comedic writer, at heart. He's a joker. And his irreverence and ability to make crazy stuff the basis of jokes (or just sheer irreverence, period), is part of his skill set. And fortunately he writes movies, instead of doing stand up (lol).

    If I createda character from Asia who was a martial artist or assassin (who rode a “rice burner”), or a member of the Yakuza or Triad (which are way used tropes in Asian cinema and fiction) unless I did it in an insulting and mocking manner, what would be the real issue? If I'm presenting something for you to see, that you can see just by looking out into the world, I don't see many people getting up in arms. Then again, if I had them running around constantly bowing and mixing up their L's and R's in pronunciation of english—gratuitously, then that might be a problem.

    Problem with this, is that, well...(and this comes from someone who grew up in urban settings around the United States) black folk do be sayin' “Nigga”, a bit. It seriously is basically, to us, like saying “dude”, or “bro”, or “fool”--actually, based on etymological roots, alone, “fool” is, at default an offensive word, period, isn't it?

    Seems like I'm splittting hairs, here. I sort of am. To explain: I am not as much attached to the word, more than I am, the part it has in the culture. Growing up, I always knew there was an intrinsic difference between “that's my nigga” and “that's a nigger”. Maybe it's perspective.

    I do understand how it can make certain people feel uncomfortable, especially if you never had a bunch of people throwing it around you a lot, growing up, and definitely if you may have some issues of guilt (if you were a person of non-colour) and just shock when you hear it.

    As far as the solidarity between us “brothers and sisters”-- I'd say, it'd be more important we stop robbing each other, and selling our people crack and smack, and hating on the ambitious (and even smallest) among us, than to quibble over a word that was “misappropriated” for racist use from the start. Meaning: it wasn't an offensive word to start with.

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    Fu_Bashoover 1 year ago

    I think you're perhaps mis-appropiating the use of the term "black culture". Use of the "n-word" (which has two variants, and is, in fact, basically two different words due to not just contextual meaning but pronunciation) is common in Urban culture. Heck, I've even heard *to my face* white people use it, during my life--then again, context, context, context.

    It didn't offend me like someone yelling "nigger!" out at me, because "nigga" is basically "dude". Or "Bitch", or "Bitchez". C'mon.

    Yes, QT is pretty crude, irreverant--that's his schtick. And his love for "black culture" is akin to my love of Japanese stuff (and culture) because, the Japanese are just awesome(!). Maybe you just shouldn't watch his films, period.

    And yes, before you wonder, I am, indeed, a person of "African Descent"

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