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		<title>By: marijane</title>
		<link>http://www.good.is/post/guess-whos-coming-as-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-24598</link>
		<dc:creator>marijane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only are the bones and feathers of other animals in processed animal feed, sometimes the feces are...definitely makes you think again about your meat consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are the bones and feathers of other animals in processed animal feed, sometimes the feces are&#8230;definitely makes you think again about your meat consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#160;I think this was a great article for a non-vegan average American that buys poultry, beef, and pork off their grocers shelves. There is no way that I am going to become a vegetarian and not everyone in the world will either. This article points out that there are differences and more humane alternatives.&#160;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;I think this was a great article for a non-vegan average American that buys poultry, beef, and pork off their grocers shelves. There is no way that I am going to become a vegetarian and not everyone in the world will either. This article points out that there are differences and more humane alternatives.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#160;am incredibly disturbed by Turco and&#160;her&#160;irrational justification for her sadism.&#160; At the risk of sounding as creepy as she does, what about killing her own dogs or cats &quot;humanely&quot;?&#160; How about her children, with her &quot;own hands&quot;?&#160;&#160; I would rather meet Jeffrey Dahmer in a dark alley, or someone who is admittedly not all there then someone who not only prides herself on her murderous ways but is so convincing that she actually twists the minds of other souls wanting to believe that their own hedonism is natural and desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&nbsp;am incredibly disturbed by Turco and&nbsp;her&nbsp;irrational justification for her sadism.&nbsp; At the risk of sounding as creepy as she does, what about killing her own dogs or cats &#8220;humanely&#8221;?&nbsp; How about her children, with her &#8220;own hands&#8221;?&nbsp;&nbsp; I would rather meet Jeffrey Dahmer in a dark alley, or someone who is admittedly not all there then someone who not only prides herself on her murderous ways but is so convincing that she actually twists the minds of other souls wanting to believe that their own hedonism is natural and desired.</p>
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		<title>By: Greengestalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greengestalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most food animals we eat now, if we encountered them hunting we&#039;d shoot &#039;em to put them out of their misery.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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What&#039;s needed desperately is a system of labelling that has strict guidelines and offers a spectrum from &quot;Factory Farm&quot; to &quot;True open range&quot; with a few gradients in between.  Just like is needed for &quot;Standard Big Ag&quot; to &quot;Hippie Joe&#039;s Organic Garden&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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A strict range of labels would provide the market niche that the latter, the extremely holistic/organic providers need.  This should have strong penalties to prevent the big companies from just slapping an &quot;organic&quot; generic label, raising the price, but selling it at half &quot;Hippie Joe&#039;s&quot; minimum price and putting him out of business.  If a range of labels is implemented so consumers can choose, then slowly the market will shift from &quot;Big Ag&quot; standard to the middle of the road with the extreme &quot;Organic&quot; end entering a renaissance.  Big Ag will then simply shift to having grocery stores accept local produce again and importing luxury/out of season goods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most food animals we eat now, if we encountered them hunting we&#8217;d shoot &#8216;em to put them out of their misery.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s needed desperately is a system of labelling that has strict guidelines and offers a spectrum from &#8220;Factory Farm&#8221; to &#8220;True open range&#8221; with a few gradients in between.  Just like is needed for &#8220;Standard Big Ag&#8221; to &#8220;Hippie Joe&#8217;s Organic Garden&#8221;. </p>
<p>A strict range of labels would provide the market niche that the latter, the extremely holistic/organic providers need.  This should have strong penalties to prevent the big companies from just slapping an &#8220;organic&#8221; generic label, raising the price, but selling it at half &#8220;Hippie Joe&#8217;s&#8221; minimum price and putting him out of business.  If a range of labels is implemented so consumers can choose, then slowly the market will shift from &#8220;Big Ag&#8221; standard to the middle of the road with the extreme &#8220;Organic&#8221; end entering a renaissance.  Big Ag will then simply shift to having grocery stores accept local produce again and importing luxury/out of season goods.</p>
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		<title>By: BippityBoppityBoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>BippityBoppityBoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, where are the photos of these animals being transported and slaughtered? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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After all, as the article (parenthetically) points out, cows and pigs from these idyllic farms end up in the same places as the McCows. (For a look at a &quot;USDA-inspected plant&quot;, see the latest undercover investigation by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hsus.org&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt; the Humane Society of the US &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s so easy to fall into the &quot;happy meat&quot; trap. All it takes is good marketing, and a willingness to not dig too deeply, ask too many questions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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That GOOD bought the hype so thoroughly is just...not good journalism, ethics, or exploration. It&#039;s just a stacked deck.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Those who want another side to the &quot;humane&quot; meat story should visit these issues of the late, great Satya magazine, which explore how and when and if animal products can truly be compassionately produced:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.satyamag.com/sept06/index.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Killing Us Softly?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.satyamag.com/oct06/index.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Milking Us Gently?&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, where are the photos of these animals being transported and slaughtered? </p>
<p>After all, as the article (parenthetically) points out, cows and pigs from these idyllic farms end up in the same places as the McCows. (For a look at a &#8220;USDA-inspected plant&#8221;, see the latest undercover investigation by <a href="http://www.hsus.org" target="_blank"> the Humane Society of the US </a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s so easy to fall into the &#8220;happy meat&#8221; trap. All it takes is good marketing, and a willingness to not dig too deeply, ask too many questions.</p>
<p>That GOOD bought the hype so thoroughly is just&#8230;not good journalism, ethics, or exploration. It&#8217;s just a stacked deck.</p>
<p>Those who want another side to the &#8220;humane&#8221; meat story should visit these issues of the late, great Satya magazine, which explore how and when and if animal products can truly be compassionately produced:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.satyamag.com/sept06/index.html" target="_blank">Killing Us Softly?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.satyamag.com/oct06/index.html" target="_blank">Milking Us Gently?</a></p>
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		<title>By: YouGotaBKidding</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What do the animals want to do the most?  What are their natural desires and can I fulfill [their desires] and grow them for food at the same time?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Answer:  Of course not.  One of their most personal and inherent desires is their own well being, and that of their offspring.  Obviously, killing them does not validate that-- it is a complete denial of their most basic interest in themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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No matter how &quot;compassionately&quot; farm animals are treated, sooner of later they&#039;ll be on death row.  It&#039;s a pretense to suggest this is humane-- &quot;humane slaughter&quot; is an oxymoron. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Non-human animals are living beings-- they are not plants to be grown.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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There&#039;s no way to preserve the &quot;animal&#039;s way of life&quot; under human control because domestication, selective breeding, and sytematic killing are artificial. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&quot;Clean&quot; meat has nothing to do with compassion for animals. Neither can small farms supply a nation of meat eaters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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As for the notion God put animals on earth because &quot;they taste good&quot;, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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YouGotaBKiddding&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do the animals want to do the most?  What are their natural desires and can I fulfill [their desires] and grow them for food at the same time?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer:  Of course not.  One of their most personal and inherent desires is their own well being, and that of their offspring.  Obviously, killing them does not validate that&#8211; it is a complete denial of their most basic interest in themselves.</p>
<p>No matter how &#8220;compassionately&#8221; farm animals are treated, sooner of later they&#8217;ll be on death row.  It&#8217;s a pretense to suggest this is humane&#8211; &#8220;humane slaughter&#8221; is an oxymoron. </p>
<p>Non-human animals are living beings&#8211; they are not plants to be grown.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way to preserve the &#8220;animal&#8217;s way of life&#8221; under human control because domestication, selective breeding, and sytematic killing are artificial. </p>
<p>&#8220;Clean&#8221; meat has nothing to do with compassion for animals. Neither can small farms supply a nation of meat eaters.</p>
<p>As for the notion God put animals on earth because &#8220;they taste good&#8221;, </p>
<p>YouGotaBKiddding</p>
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		<title>By: DirtyFiveThirty</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodmagazine.com/user/YouGotaBKidding/activity/rationalizations_abound&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;Non-human animals are living beings-- they are not plants to be grown.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so what are plants? NON-living beings? Living non-beings?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This is nuts. If animal life is so sacred should we put every cow on life support when it&#039;s on the brink of a natural death? Should we muster all the resources of modern medicine to cure every chicken of naturally occurring disease?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Quality of life matters more than quantity of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://www.goodmagazine.com/user/YouGotaBKidding/activity/rationalizations_abound" target="_blank">this comment</a>: &#8220;Non-human animals are living beings&#8211; they are not plants to be grown.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, so what are plants? NON-living beings? Living non-beings?</p>
<p>This is nuts. If animal life is so sacred should we put every cow on life support when it&#8217;s on the brink of a natural death? Should we muster all the resources of modern medicine to cure every chicken of naturally occurring disease?</p>
<p>Quality of life matters more than quantity of life.</p>
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		<title>By: YouGotaBKidding</title>
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		<dc:creator>YouGotaBKidding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A living being has self awareness, and as such is the subject of his or her own life.  Plants react to stimuli, but they are not self aware.  They cannot make choices about themselves or their environment.  Plants are not beings.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Instead of making rash assumptions, think about it.  As the subject of one&#039;s own life, one should not be made into an object for others.  Rather than put cows on life support or give chickens every advantage of modern medicine, they should not be owned, bred, commodified, and sold.  Human and non-human beings should be free to experience their lives on their own terms, unless they are causing harm to others.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Got it?  If not, try reading animal rights theory as explained by Lee Hall and Joan Dunayer, and see if you can dispute it.  (I don&#039;t mean PeTA and all that other nonsense that really has nothing to do with animal rights theory.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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As for &#039;quality of life&#039;, I think that&#039;s a decision you have a right to make for yourself, and under some circumstances, for dependents.  Outside of that, the decision should be one&#039;s own.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A living being has self awareness, and as such is the subject of his or her own life.  Plants react to stimuli, but they are not self aware.  They cannot make choices about themselves or their environment.  Plants are not beings.</p>
<p>Instead of making rash assumptions, think about it.  As the subject of one&#8217;s own life, one should not be made into an object for others.  Rather than put cows on life support or give chickens every advantage of modern medicine, they should not be owned, bred, commodified, and sold.  Human and non-human beings should be free to experience their lives on their own terms, unless they are causing harm to others.  </p>
<p>Got it?  If not, try reading animal rights theory as explained by Lee Hall and Joan Dunayer, and see if you can dispute it.  (I don&#8217;t mean PeTA and all that other nonsense that really has nothing to do with animal rights theory.)</p>
<p>As for &#8216;quality of life&#8217;, I think that&#8217;s a decision you have a right to make for yourself, and under some circumstances, for dependents.  Outside of that, the decision should be one&#8217;s own.  </p>
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