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		<title>By: tristanwalshzgma</title>
		<link>http://www.good.is/post/ruthless-humanitarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-6870</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The role of corporate enterprise in military operations is substantial, especially in the United States. However, recent experiences and claims by such contractors as BlackWater USA show that corporations cannot entirely replace a joint military force, nor should they be expected to. In essence, there is a commercial value to peace- however, in any case, especially a case involving genocide, commercial value should be the last of any government&#039;s concern. To &quot;stop the killing&quot; a corporation would have to be asked to deploy itself into a full scale civil conflict and defeat or fight to a stand-still one or more of the multiple engaging sides. In Sudan, this would include the Sudanese government. That would likely eliminate the Sudanese government&#039;s willingness to allow (more) mercenaries into the country&#039;s borders. Furthermore, a corporation, even one as large as Blackwater, cannot be expected to provide the infrastructure and supervision that the United States or the UN could provide. Expecting them to be honest and expecting them to be regularly inspected and checked throughout a hundred thousand-plus square mile warzone, with multiple sides, and amidst millions of people on the move, is in my view an unrealistic concept. &lt;br /&gt;
Furthermore, it is dishonest to say that the West does not care about Darfur. The complex atmosphere in Darfur bring into line the questions of ethnic self-rule, geopolitics and the idea of unilateral intervention, not to mention national sovereignty.&lt;br /&gt;
In recent TV interviews and books, these &quot;ruthless humanitarians&quot; include the majority of Defense Dept. brass and Chiefs of Staff, (including generals training the Iraqi military and in the Horn of Africa) who point out that the United States and the United Nations are in the process of re-training their forces from being combat-ready to peace-keepers as well-and that while the time it takes the government to adapt is far slower than a corporation, the governments have the endurance to make the efforts work.&lt;br /&gt;
While I applaud the urgency of the author&#039;s arguments, I find the methods are misrepresenting of the United States and international community. He also places a very solid faith on the insubstantial foundation of corporate ability to act as police-men in a complex war-zone, much less police themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The role of corporate enterprise in military operations is substantial, especially in the United States. However, recent experiences and claims by such contractors as BlackWater USA show that corporations cannot entirely replace a joint military force, nor should they be expected to. In essence, there is a commercial value to peace- however, in any case, especially a case involving genocide, commercial value should be the last of any government&#8217;s concern. To &#8220;stop the killing&#8221; a corporation would have to be asked to deploy itself into a full scale civil conflict and defeat or fight to a stand-still one or more of the multiple engaging sides. In Sudan, this would include the Sudanese government. That would likely eliminate the Sudanese government&#8217;s willingness to allow (more) mercenaries into the country&#8217;s borders. Furthermore, a corporation, even one as large as Blackwater, cannot be expected to provide the infrastructure and supervision that the United States or the UN could provide. Expecting them to be honest and expecting them to be regularly inspected and checked throughout a hundred thousand-plus square mile warzone, with multiple sides, and amidst millions of people on the move, is in my view an unrealistic concept. <br />
Furthermore, it is dishonest to say that the West does not care about Darfur. The complex atmosphere in Darfur bring into line the questions of ethnic self-rule, geopolitics and the idea of unilateral intervention, not to mention national sovereignty.<br />
In recent TV interviews and books, these &#8220;ruthless humanitarians&#8221; include the majority of Defense Dept. brass and Chiefs of Staff, (including generals training the Iraqi military and in the Horn of Africa) who point out that the United States and the United Nations are in the process of re-training their forces from being combat-ready to peace-keepers as well-and that while the time it takes the government to adapt is far slower than a corporation, the governments have the endurance to make the efforts work.<br />
While I applaud the urgency of the author&#8217;s arguments, I find the methods are misrepresenting of the United States and international community. He also places a very solid faith on the insubstantial foundation of corporate ability to act as police-men in a complex war-zone, much less police themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: knowngo</title>
		<link>http://www.good.is/post/ruthless-humanitarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-6914</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The obstinate party is not the Sudanese government...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Though I agree that private contractors are useful, they can only be useful in a political environment that allows their strengths to be used. It was hard to get past the quote above, considering the Govt of Sudan&#039;s past record. It is one task to build a compound for the UN and a very different thing to provide security to a civilian population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The obstinate party is not the Sudanese government&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Though I agree that private contractors are useful, they can only be useful in a political environment that allows their strengths to be used. It was hard to get past the quote above, considering the Govt of Sudan&#8217;s past record. It is one task to build a compound for the UN and a very different thing to provide security to a civilian population.</p>
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		<title>By: Scottonthespot</title>
		<link>http://www.good.is/post/ruthless-humanitarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-6943</link>
		<dc:creator>Scottonthespot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(The following message is from my blog, where it has been posted for over a year.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been reading articles on Darfur for some time, and those of other &quot;human catastrophe zones&quot; such as nearby Chad may be becoming. I don&#039;t think any of the present approaches will solve the current genocide in Darfur. They are all too little, too meek and too badly defined. First, do the nations with the power to change things really care? If not, they should own up to it and say, &quot;well, this is a tragedy, but that&#039;s life - for those in that part of the world anyway - and there is not much we can do about it.&quot; That wouldn&#039;t be a noble position of course, but it would be an honest one. If they do want to do something, there should be a hard and effective policy. I&#039;ve even come up with a name for such a policy - I call it the Doctrine of Enforced Humanitarianism (DEH). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
It would work something like this: in any region or country where there is no rule of law, where there is systemic violation of the most basic human rights not to be tortured, raped or killed, where there is international recognition of these problems and recognition that these conditions will not or cannot be rectified by the government of the area, then the international community has a right, even an obligation, to go in and enforce these basic human rights - even at the point of violating national sovereignty. The last point is key because it gives an international force the authority to set up protected zones where people will be safe, and even be able to function and scratch out some sort of subsistence living. What to do if, in Darfur&#039;s case, the Janjaweed attack? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Shoot them. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m serious. Let the Sudanese government protest, if they dare. They can&#039;t stop the slaughter (I&#039;m being charitable here since it&#039;s more like they *won&#039;t* stop the slaughter) so the world should. Of course, the U.S. being the biggest military power in the world, would have a disproportionate role in things. We should make clear we are not in there to take over the country under DEH rules - which would be carefully spelled out in the U.N. - but merely to preserve lives and provide stability in those regions where neither can be expected. Some form of village government might have to be set up by local leaders - provided they renounce violence and leave policing and protection to the international force. The DEH would go on as long as necessary. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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A de facto &quot;second state&quot; might arise if it went on long enough. So be it. When a government fails in the most basic protection of its citizens, it renounces its right to govern those citizens, according to the Doctrine of Enforced Humanitarianism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Anything short of a hard and uncompromising solution like this, in my opinion, is destined to fail. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(The following message is from my blog, where it has been posted for over a year.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading articles on Darfur for some time, and those of other &#8220;human catastrophe zones&#8221; such as nearby Chad may be becoming. I don&#8217;t think any of the present approaches will solve the current genocide in Darfur. They are all too little, too meek and too badly defined. First, do the nations with the power to change things really care? If not, they should own up to it and say, &#8220;well, this is a tragedy, but that&#8217;s life &#8211; for those in that part of the world anyway &#8211; and there is not much we can do about it.&#8221; That wouldn&#8217;t be a noble position of course, but it would be an honest one. If they do want to do something, there should be a hard and effective policy. I&#8217;ve even come up with a name for such a policy &#8211; I call it the Doctrine of Enforced Humanitarianism (DEH). </p>
<p>It would work something like this: in any region or country where there is no rule of law, where there is systemic violation of the most basic human rights not to be tortured, raped or killed, where there is international recognition of these problems and recognition that these conditions will not or cannot be rectified by the government of the area, then the international community has a right, even an obligation, to go in and enforce these basic human rights &#8211; even at the point of violating national sovereignty. The last point is key because it gives an international force the authority to set up protected zones where people will be safe, and even be able to function and scratch out some sort of subsistence living. What to do if, in Darfur&#8217;s case, the Janjaweed attack? </p>
<p>Shoot them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m serious. Let the Sudanese government protest, if they dare. They can&#8217;t stop the slaughter (I&#8217;m being charitable here since it&#8217;s more like they *won&#8217;t* stop the slaughter) so the world should. Of course, the U.S. being the biggest military power in the world, would have a disproportionate role in things. We should make clear we are not in there to take over the country under DEH rules &#8211; which would be carefully spelled out in the U.N. &#8211; but merely to preserve lives and provide stability in those regions where neither can be expected. Some form of village government might have to be set up by local leaders &#8211; provided they renounce violence and leave policing and protection to the international force. The DEH would go on as long as necessary. </p>
<p>A de facto &#8220;second state&#8221; might arise if it went on long enough. So be it. When a government fails in the most basic protection of its citizens, it renounces its right to govern those citizens, according to the Doctrine of Enforced Humanitarianism.</p>
<p>Anything short of a hard and uncompromising solution like this, in my opinion, is destined to fail. </p>
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		<title>By: kerryphippszhotm</title>
		<link>http://www.good.is/post/ruthless-humanitarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-6955</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the international cooperation it end the genocide in Darfur is abhorrent, to say the least.  However, passing the task onto private security forces, merely because we can “pay to deploy them,” instead of reaching international agreement through diplomatic means, somehow seems to undermine the intentions of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.  It sounds like there is a parallel that if there is a problem, throw money at it, and get it done.  Now I realize what is at stake are human lives as the international community uses Darfur as political leverage, especially in America.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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	So is this a case of the ends justifies the means?  By solving this problem, by ending the genocide, people can say that something was accomplished, but what precedent would that set?  What would tyrannical leaders, despots, and nations currently experiencing gross human right violations think of this solution?  Is genocide is a case, that it should be solved by any means, and then sorted out after?   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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	“Numerous private companies stand ready to provide the security that humanitarian groups have been demanding for years…”  for the right price I guess, not because of their humanitarian principles.  But then again, neither are the people who are committing the genocide. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the international cooperation it end the genocide in Darfur is abhorrent, to say the least.  However, passing the task onto private security forces, merely because we can “pay to deploy them,” instead of reaching international agreement through diplomatic means, somehow seems to undermine the intentions of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.  It sounds like there is a parallel that if there is a problem, throw money at it, and get it done.  Now I realize what is at stake are human lives as the international community uses Darfur as political leverage, especially in America.  </p>
<p>	So is this a case of the ends justifies the means?  By solving this problem, by ending the genocide, people can say that something was accomplished, but what precedent would that set?  What would tyrannical leaders, despots, and nations currently experiencing gross human right violations think of this solution?  Is genocide is a case, that it should be solved by any means, and then sorted out after?   </p>
<p>	“Numerous private companies stand ready to provide the security that humanitarian groups have been demanding for years…”  for the right price I guess, not because of their humanitarian principles.  But then again, neither are the people who are committing the genocide. </p>
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		<title>By: virginiawerewolf</title>
		<link>http://www.good.is/post/ruthless-humanitarianism/comment-page-1/#comment-7019</link>
		<dc:creator>virginiawerewolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The arguments against Justin&#039;s premise all feel kinda slippery slope - presenting risks but without factoring in how great or small these risks are and weighing that against the inevitable result on inaction. Blackwater already exists, pre-meditated war already exists, genocide, dictatorships and mercenaries already exist. Putting a private military to use to support a collective agreement among some quorum of nations is at least worth considering. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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 whether or not these risks are great or small and what in action will certainly turn out. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arguments against Justin&#8217;s premise all feel kinda slippery slope &#8211; presenting risks but without factoring in how great or small these risks are and weighing that against the inevitable result on inaction. Blackwater already exists, pre-meditated war already exists, genocide, dictatorships and mercenaries already exist. Putting a private military to use to support a collective agreement among some quorum of nations is at least worth considering. </p>
<p> whether or not these risks are great or small and what in action will certainly turn out.</p>
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