Prop H8?

Prop 8 passing is a huge setback, but that’s all it is – a setback. Equality for all, at least legally, is as inevitable in this case as it was during the Civil Rights movement of the last century. The only thing to do is to keep fighting ignorance and keep up hope that Americans will overcome their prejudices sooner rather than later.

Good point, lady.

As for the funds, a big chunk of the money for the Prop 8 campaign came from the Mormon church, which has traditionally been a little more flexible with its definition of marriage.

Say what you want about the money raised in support for prop 8. No matter how much money we supporters raised for 8, celebrities and mega companies like Apple poured even more into their own campaigns, making it seem like mission impossible to pass 8.The bottom line is this, we knew it would take a miracle to pass Prop 8, and that is exactly what we got. I fully believe God’s hand was the sole reason 8 passed.

Oh and one more thing. It is so sad to me that people pin the word “hate” to supporters of 8. As Christians, we are taught to love everyone even if we don’t agree with their lifestyle. I voted for 8 because I wanted to protect an institution of my religious freedom and the traditional family unit, not because I hate gay people.

You don’t need to be a Christian to get married. Nor do you need a priest, pastor or minister present for a marriage to be legal. It’s a secular institution. 

I’m a bit confused. How can somebody espouse values of “loving everybody” or “love thy brother” in the name of any religious or secular principle and say something like they just want to protect the institution of marriage when I’m sorry – but – don’t 50% of marriages end in divorce?  Married straight people, divorcing. Married straight people, beating each other up. There are plenty of married straight people who are not doing “justice” to “protecting” the institution of marriage. How can anybody really use the whole protection thing as a defense of a proposition that is KEEPING PEOPLE FROM HAVING THE SAME BASIC RIGHTS TO SHARE AND EXPRESS THEIR LOVE?That is not “loving everybody”. That is discrimination.

anewstatic:Take the phrase “protect an institution of my religious freedom”.  Religious freedom is a right, not a collection of institutions.  The right of religious freedom is granted in the United States under the Bill of Rights, and requires no special legal protection at the state level.  Does it occur to you that your statement, in fact, has no logical meaning?How often do you consider the possibility that you’re wrong, or that you’re being manipulated?  Do you take it on faith that you aren’t?I ask that you indulge me, and think about these things honestly.

If you dont want to call this hate, then own up and call it discrimination. The mariage contracts the state gives out have nothing to do witht the religious institution people are trying to protect. If you want to protect the institution, outlaw divorce.Really, we should drop the term marriage and keep a contract of civil union, with all the same privliges. Then those who wish to protect their institutions are free to do so in their respective houses of worship, and everyone can have social equalit within their country.II;m pissed. Lets take to the streets.

So… what we’re looking at here is a massive stride forward for equality with Obama’s win, and a massive leap backwards with prop 8.  I’m a Christian.  I find it completely rediculous that, first of all, we think that if gays are allowed to express their love for eachother in a beautiful ceremony in front of all of their friends and family, and if they get the legal benefits of being married, that somehow this threatens traditional marriages??  And for some reason we’ve decided that “religious freedom” means the government outlawing practices different from what we believe in??  I’m with you, Eral_Leon.  This is outrageous.  I’m marching.  Discrimination, indeed.

One more thing:  according to traditional views of what the Bible has to say on homosexuality (which, by the way, I think are fatally flawed, but not the point here), the sin is gay sex.  Are you still clinging to the hope that if you shake your finger at them and go, “No, you can’t have sex, because you’re not married, and that would be a sin,” anyone is going to hear you over the hypocrisy?

Just let people be happy! Jeez..

SOdid anyone else in the Los Angeles area attend the protests? will i be seeing you at sunset junction tonight? the cops wont be as friendly as they were in long beach (not that friendly is a word used to regularly describe them; only in comparison can a police officer ever look friendly).If you’re in the area, within a few hours driving distance even, pleasepleaseplease come out tonight. also, sign this: http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition-sign.html

As a gay woman in an awesome, committed relationship, I am definitely disappointed in the fate of prop 8.  I could say more, but it looks like the postings above have already hashed out enough. 

A nation is built of families.Families include children.Marriage is a true institution and it is defined by the union beetween a man and a woman because only that union can produce children.

Discrimination is alive and well in California.  Watch the ballot for a Sanctity of Marriage Bill banning all Divorce in CA.  See how the far right will agree with that, how many marriages has Rush Limbaugh had now…. John McCain….  

I agree with the 1st post. The yes on 8 side definately got more exposure as far as signs and what not goes and most of those I have talked to it seems like people are split 50 50 on this one. I feel that no matter how you feel personally about someones lifestyle choice it is wrong to try and prohibit it. Im straight but I voted no on this one because I think every person should have equal opportunities. Even if someone is morally opposed to this they should not have to feel like they have to fight to prevent it. This is my question: If someone has absolute faith that their creator is all powerful, shouldn’t they trust that their higher power will resolve what they perceive is a sin? I think that the yes on 8 crew is a little overzealous in promoting what they perceive is God’s will. I think we should just live and let live.

see it as you wish homosexuality is disgusting and unnatural. penises go into vaginas not anuses

Without addressing your larger issues about the nature of homosexuality, drandats, I have to tell you: I’ve heard stories about heterosexual men putting their penises into female anuses, in a totally straight way. Not be crass, just saying.

drandats – I don’t know why I waste my time with a bigot such as your self. You might as well troll the hypocritical religious sites, you just may get more lovin’.

TRUE LOVE can in fact exist between ANY living creatures in the universe (including non-human ones), a MARRIAGE is a institution designed by ALL religions to allow the legal creation and protection of the traditional FAMILY – a man and woman. This wise decision allowed not only the proliferation of the HUMAN RACE but also its improvement, due to normal natural genetic improvements and vital energy passed to the phetus by the parents.Gays cannot bring into being children in a natural way, so they CANNOT marry. End of history and don’t push it. But they can love though – and they do.I have some gay acquaintances and I know they are good people. After many years these same people later recognized that if their parents had given them a truly
traditional lifestyle and parenthood support (really caring and kind, motivational but firm, open and supportive but cohesive to principles) they wouldn’t have become
gays at all. However life is not perfect and families have lost their way – in certain America regions but NOT in the whole world.