God’s Many Murders

But then again…if there is a God who created us all in the first place, then maybe our lives are his to give and take away. 

Thank you for that “HAHA CHRISTIANS RAE SO DUMBB” piece of work. Very original. This is the last shoddy article I visit here. Good used to be good. Now it’s just downright bad. Now to delete my bookmark…

God killed because he could. Because, He is God and we are not. It’s only by His grace that He allows us to live in the first place. God killed A) to show us that He’s in control, B) to punish sin and C) for His glory. It’s a hard thing to understand, and that’s okay. We’re not really meant to fully understand it all. God gave us the Law (the Commandments) to recognize our sins. He never thought we could actually keep the Law, so He gives us Jesus. It’s not about being “good”, it’s about God’s grace through our faith in Him. God has done some terrible things in the world’s eyes, but He has also done the most gracious thing: Give the world, whom deserves to perish, a chance at forgiveness and eternal life through Jesus.I am 26 years old and I have a Bible on my nightstand.

I saw this post mentioned on Dwindling in Unbelief, so I thought I’d check it out. Is killing millions of people the best thing God could do to show us how great he is? Couldn’t he cure cancer instead? Jesus didn’t have to die for us, couldn’t God just forgive our sins without more bloodshed? To the person who says they’re leaving: it looks like this site has a wide variety of viewpoints on it and supports a lot of good things, from what I can tell. Why would you leave it just because of one post? 

I’m good. But I’m not good enough. I need a God with some grit–a God who understands the futility of trying to justify my own redemption. A God who is serious about the frailty of the human condition. And a God who can teach us and lead us into a new way to be human–a new humanity.I need Jesus.

This is the Old Testament. So… stop being so defensive, Christians. If we refuse to read anything that challenges any type of religious faith, we’re only limiting ourselves, not to mention proving the stereotype of religious zealots with blinders on. Please do us open-minded, intellectually curious Christians a favor and join us!

I don’t quite get how this post fits under the “GOOD” brand.

If god can do, then why we don’t… after all he’s our big father.This god and bible thing is absurd.People have to think them selves, how to live.

I’m open for discussion on this topic, but could someone answer me this questions as I am not trying to be argumentative….What is the point of this post?  Just a random fact check or something?

Anonymous Jan 5, 2009 @ 8:36 pmI’ll give an analogy.  A father tells his son not to do something and the son does it anyways.  And the father forgives him for not listening.  Again, the father reminds the son not to do this “thing” because he wants to protect him from being hurt.  The son doesn’t see that it will hurt him and does it anyway….then the father punishes the son.  Now, the father does not murder his son in the literal sense in today’s society, but the Old Testament represents many things (other than just God killing people).  If the people listened to their “elder” or their God that they worshipped then the world would have been a better place.  The thing is God gave them free-will.  We an choose our actions, we cannot however choose our consequences

At the end of the New Testament billions of non-believers are dead.  So, from these two examples (the Old and New Testaments) what can we learn?  We need to have a more ‘live and let live’ attitude when it comes to our dogma.  My belief system isn’t your belief system… does that mean we have to denigrate
each other?

MEisenman, I agree to some extent. But the problem is, many religious people don’t have a live and let live attitude. They want to force their religion onto others: in government, in school, etc. Some forms of belief are less harmful than others. But then we have cases like this toddler who was killed because he wouldn’t say “Amen”. If people didn’t claim a book where millions are killed by their God is the “Good Book”, maybe the world would be a better place.

I Am… I would hope that at some point religious
people would understand that we do, in fact, live in secular country and more
importantly, a secular world.  They only way humankind is going to survive
is to accept that there are many truths and none of them are absolute.
 Most people are born (or indoctrinated) into a belief system and never
question the teachings.  There are far too many flashpoints around the
world based on religious dogma.  I don’t advocate the banning of religion but
I do advocate the concept that one’s belief of a deity or no deity, and the
tenets of that belief, end at the point of my nose. 

I am god

To tose of us who are non believers, I say save your breath and fingers and brain cells,  there is no reasoning with the born again. They know where they are going without a doubt and you aren’t invited.  

I don’t get why do many people are freaking out and claiming that this article is anti-christian or atheist in any way; it’s just pointing out the fact that Old Testament God was a cranky, mean-spirited jerk.  That’s half of the impact behind the New Testament when God, after Jesus’s self-sacrifice, kills…. let’s see…  zero people, IIRC.

This is my personal opinion of the eight examples provided above: In event 1 God told Noah to build an ark there would be a flood – Noah obeyed and built the ark. while building the ark he told the people God said there would be a flood and told what they should do. the people refused or disobeyed and the consequence they drowned.2. Sodom and Gomorrah - there was so much evil and sin there (men wanted to be with one of God’s servants sons and he said he would rather they sleep with his daughters) God brought judgement on the city 3. Lot’s wife looked back after God told them not to look back – she disobeyed.4. Self explanatory – he was wicked in the sight of the Lord. God does not like sin.5. Onan - lust.
6. Egyptian plague – Moses was the messenger of God sent to the Egyptians to let His people who were held as slaves go. Moses warned there would be plagues giving them time to repent. They refused.7.  This was one of the plagues on the Egyptians. In addition, God told Moses anyone who placed a mark of blood over the door where they lived and all the first borns would be spared. They obeyed and lived. the Egyptians did not.8. The Egyptian army drowned in the sea while trying to capture the Isrealites. God parted the sea so the Israelites could cross. In each case God tried to warn the people to turn away from there wicked ways. Those that listened lived and those that disobeyed died both literally and figuratively.  What about man in todays time?Lord have mercy on me. Accept Jesus and follow Him. Learn the truth.

This is my personal opinion of the eight examples provided above: In event 1 God told Noah to build an ark there would be a flood – Noah obeyed and built the ark. while building the ark he told the people God said there would be a flood and told what they should do. the people refused or disobeyed and the consequence they drowned.2. Sodom and Gomorrah - there was so much evil and sin there (men wanted to be with one of God’s servants sons and he said he would rather they sleep with his daughters) God brought judgement on the city 3. Lot’s wife looked back after God told them not to look back – she disobeyed.4. Self explanatory – he was wicked in the sight of the Lord. God does not like sin.5. Onan - lust.
6. Egyptian plague – Moses was the messenger of God sent to the Egyptians to let His people who were held as slaves go. Moses warned there would be plagues giving them time to repent. They refused.7.  This was one of the plagues on the Egyptians. In addition, God told Moses anyone who placed a mark of blood over the door where they lived and all the first borns would be spared. They obeyed and lived. the Egyptians did not.8. The Egyptian army drowned in the sea while trying to capture the Isrealites. God parted the sea so the Israelites could cross. In each case God tried to warn the people to turn away from there wicked ways. Those that listened lived and those that disobeyed died both literally and figuratively.  What about man in todays time?Lord have mercy on me. Accept Jesus and follow Him. Learn the truth.

We can all live and let live.  But, I do find it interesting that everyone is so threatened by the Bible and Christianity’s God.  There are many other religions that push their viewpoints on others a lot more than my saying that I believe that Jesus is my savior.  I’m not telling you to believe it, but I will defend it when someone questions it, in an antagonistic way.  It’s like someone insulting your mom because you say you love your mom more than you love their mom.  Confusing….

You have it wrong, Imarcia. Believers may do my mom vs. your mom, but not atheists. Christians teach: “You must believe that my mom exists and is the greatest mom in the world. You can’t see her because she’s invisible, but you’ve just got to believe me! If you don’t believe she’s the best mom in the world, then you’re going to suffer forever and ever after you die. Here, read her diary, which tells you exactly what you must do, and talks about all the other people my mom killed because they didn’t obey her or didn’t believe she existed. Isn’t my mom great?” Atheists say “I don’t see why I should believe your mom exists if I can’t see her, and even if she did she doesn’t sound so great if she just kills people who disobey her.” Christians are the biggest religion in most English-speaking areas, and we’re more likely to have a Christian try to force religion onto us (school, work, presidential inaugurations…) so that’s why atheists criticize the Christians and the Bible the most.

The God of the old testament is spiteful, vengeful, jealous and a murderer.  How could anyone worship a god like that?  Today we call people who act as god did serial killers, terrorists and evil.Judy

Sunshine 09.  If indeed our lives are his to give and take away, why would a good god want to take them away?  Who needs a god like that!!Judy

Maybe it is good to read well the reason of God Judgements, by reading for example Wisdom of Solomon 1, God want for us to be rightfull people and God give us plenty of time for us to be good people, if we live in darkness that is what it come to us, so when God did judgmement it was because no one listened to his requests for changing and stop wrong doing